Message-Id: <199812080406.UAA00363@bb.rc.vix.com>
To: Gordon Fecyk - InterNet Store Postmaster <postmaster@intouch.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [private]
In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:31:22 PST."
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:06:29 -0800
From: Paul A Vixie <paul@vix.com>

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> Of all the things that would push me to complete the Orca -> MAPS DUL
> transition, who'd have thought it would be Ron Guilmette?

ron's not sane.  he's also not a nice person.

> Short version of the story: A month ago when I announced the DUL, I
> got off on the wrong foot with Wolfgang and RFG regarding posting
> pseudononymously.  You can probably see the details in the spamtools
> digest. Anyways, it was a long story that ended with me killfiling him
> in disgust.

if i had a mailbox level rbl, ron would be on it.

> Now a month later he decides to help me out, and sent me some IPs that
> weren't in the DUL (some 3000 of them).  Only here's the fun part: I
> send him a thank-you note and remove the killfile entry, and get back
> another scathing missive calling himself the father of the DUL
> (another long story between Afterburner and I).  He's starting his own
> DNS domain (dare I call it a "DUL-alike?") and just announced it in
> dialups@abuse.net.

feh.

> If you were worried about the multitudes of RBL-alike domains in
> existence before, now I'm worried, too.

you can take the boy out of the asylum, but we just can't seem to get
the asylum out of the boy.

> I was hoping to take a leisurely pace, doing a proper job, not messing
> things up along the way, and maybe relax during Christmas.  That's not
> possible anymore.  (Well, that depends on how many people take RFG
> seriously... after all, I know of his SyslogD antics from your
> website...)

i'm going to do what i can to mitigate his existence, separately.

> So I guess it's as ready for a move as it's ever going to be.  What
> are your terms, technical and legal?  I really like the idea of
> offering both a separate and merged DNS zone as long as you're able to
> merge them without too much trouble.  Legal, I don't have any problem
> indemnifying you of any damages (or whatever the legal BS words are
> that say, "If I screw up it's not Paul Vixie's fault!")

legally, this will become the property of MAPS, LLC.  you will be its
maintainer, and we'd work out a contract that said that if you and MAPS
ever part ways, we have to sell it to you for the prenegotiated value of
US$10.00.  (used to be US$1.00 was the contract minimum, now it's US$10.00.)
in other words MAPS wants all the publicity -- and all the liability.  we
can just do it, for now, and then work out contract language later.

technically, i will create an account for you on isrv1.pa.vix.com, which
is the server for both http://maps.vix.com/ and for the BGP and DNS views
of the RBL.  you will make up a zone file for dul.maps.vix.com, and you
will make up a web hierarchy for http://maps.vix.com/dul/.  i will arrange
for world wide name service for this new zone, using the existing servers
(who are all very pro-MAPS and none of whom are pro-RFG.)

i'll arrange for dul@maps.vix.com to be a mailing list with just you and i
on it.  (i just want to lurk, so i can understand the liability issues.)

eventually we will figure out how to do a merged zone.  rather than calling
it rbl+dul.maps.vix.com, i'd like to come up with something more like
erbl.maps.vix.com, which had the merged data but used the A RR as a bit
field indicating flags like "dialup pool" or "open relay" or "spamhaus".
this would come as part of moving the existing RBL into a database, which
is a project i've wanted to do for some time now.

> NOTE: Yes I use PGP and I have an RSA key.  I think caution is a good
> idea for future mail regarding the DUL until after the move's
> complete.  If you don't have access to pgp.com's key server here's my
> public RSA key.  I have a smaller RSA key (1024 bits) for
> dul-list@orca.bc.ca and have included that too, in case you can't use
> larger keys.

i only do pgp 2.6.2s, which means i can't grok DSS keys.  i had no trouble
with the keys you sent.  i'll encrypt this on its way back to you.

if the above terms are acceptable, please send me your preferred login name.

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